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Adobe killing Flash

Postby Slayer991 » Wed, 17Jul26 14:38

English - https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... d-of-2020/
French - https://translate.google.com/translate? ... of-2020%2F

As this affects a handful of popular adult-gaming sites and authors like Shark, LoP (Leonizer), Pusooy, etc...I have to wonder how many of these sites will be able to transition to using HTML5, WebGL, etc...or just die out. Granted, it's 2.5 years away...but I'd hate to lose some of the sites that I've donated/paid money over the years...as I've enjoyed their work.

I know LoP has done some work with HTML5 with their sister-site sexandglory. Not sure about the other authors and sites...
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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby Marco6661 » Wed, 17Jul26 16:17

Thank you for the info.

I am curious to read what the specialists of the graphic creation think about it...
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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby ttant » Wed, 17Jul26 18:48

It's not because Adobe kills it that it will disappear immediately.
This could happen only if chrome, firefox, safari, internet explorer and edge decide all together to remove the flash plug-in. That being said, they (at least chrome and firefox) are already doing the first steps in that direction...

But I think, they would stop that really soon.
Why ? Because html5 multimedia is a really pain in the ass to deal with. It simply doesn't work everywhere. Currently, tons of contents that are already available with HTML5 support are not delivered to end users, mostly because :
* of the fee to pay due to codec licensing
* of the hardware acceleration mandatory (especially on chromium browser) to play some videos
* of the DRM issue when playing some videos (check widevine)
Just to list the main ones.

So good luck and have fun to kill and replace flash. :lol:
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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby kexter » Wed, 17Jul26 20:20

ttant wrote:This could happen only if chrome, firefox, safari, internet explorer and edge decide all together to remove the flash plug-in.
Well that's exactly the case here. They all decided to remove it.

Here's the actual announcement by Adobe.
And all relevant announcements by each major browser vendor:
Microsoft wrote:The process will continue in the following phases:
  • Through the end of 2017 and into 2018, Microsoft Edge will continue to ask users for permission to run Flash on most sites the first time the site is visited, and will remember the user’s preference on subsequent visits. Internet Explorer will continue to allow Flash with no special permissions required during this time.
  • In mid to late 2018, we will update Microsoft Edge to require permission for Flash to be run each session. Internet Explorer will continue to allow Flash for all sites in 2018.
  • In mid to late 2019, we will disable Flash by default in both Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer. Users will be able to re-enable Flash in both browsers. When re-enabled, Microsoft Edge will continue to require approval for Flash on a site-by-site basis.
  • By the end of 2020, we will remove the ability to run Adobe Flash in Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer across all supported versions of Microsoft Windows. Users will no longer have any ability to enable or run Flash.
This timeline is consistent across browsers, including Google, Mozilla, and Apple.
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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby tlaero » Thu, 17Jul27 05:01

I hope songsterr gets a Flash replacement before mid-2018. That's the last site on the internet that I use extensively which relies on flash.

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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby kexter » Thu, 17Jul27 08:34

tlaero wrote:I hope songsterr gets a Flash replacement before mid-2018.
I think they've already rolled out or are in the process or rolling out a more modern version of the site.
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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby tlaero » Fri, 17Jul28 02:08

There's a "try the new version of songsterr" button on the site, but it seems to still use Flash.

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Re: Adobe killing Flash

Postby MaxCarna » Fri, 17Jul28 05:41

Hi, TomFulp from Newgrounds sent this message below (second piece missing). Maybe clarify the subject a little.

Yesterday Adobe announced they will end support for the Flash player in 2020. This means they will no longer make updates or patches for playing Flash content in a web browser and the individual browsers are onboard with removing Flash completely by the end of 2020. This means you will have no way to view an SWF file in a modern browser going into 2021.

A lot of people get confused by what this means, so I wanted to clarify a few things:

1. Adobe will still support Adobe Animate, their re-branded version of Flash. You can still use it to make animation but you will share it in video format vs SWF. Most animators are already doing this. Just about every animation you watch on NG is now an MP4 loading in an HTML5 video player.

2. No, people don’t need animation software that exports animation in HTML5 format. We just need animation to be in video format. We created Swivel for this many years ago and it’s super popular.

3. Newgrounds supports games in HTML5 format, which is becoming increasingly dominant. There is a big question of whether we will be able to preserve the 80,000+ games that were made in Flash. At the least, you could download and play them in an external player but we are hoping to have a solid web-based option by the time 2020 rolls along. Options include javascript that can interpret and run an SWF file, software that can convert existing swf files to javascript or something using WebAssembly, which is still maturing. A lot has been happening in this space but nothing is perfect at the moment.

4. The Audio Portal will be fine, with an HTML5 audio player.

5. The Art Portal has always been Flash-free.

A lot of people still don’t realize that NG has been transitioning away from Flash for many years now and 2020 won’t be as bumpy as some may think. The end of Flash won’t be the end of NG.
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