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Re: Pandora

Postby JFR » Wed, 17May17 15:35

Dolphin-BR wrote:...
9- Even for a shy guy, hiding behind a woman, was a little too much. No man would do that. The girl could have moved in front of him intending to protect him, but he would have pushed her aside.
...

I wasn't going to address this but just couldn't let it lie. It's a curse. Sorry.

The idea that anyone has any idea how he or anyone else would react when confronted with an enraged, shotgun wielding, powerful authority figure is simply ludicrous. The first 20+ years of my adult career were in law enforcement. Even with extensive training for just such an occurrence, we don't really know how we will react until it happens. For my first such experience, it was well that I had all that training because that is what kept me alive and moving for the first several seconds when my brain wanted to freeze. The overwhelming reaction is "what - what - what - WTF???" I counseled many trainees over the years who had similar experiences and it is the training and experience that keep us going out to face such things day after day. To expect a shy, computer-geek, recent engineering graduate with little or no experience in such things to suddenly turn all Duke Nukem (dating myself, here) at the first sign of danger is just unrealistic in the extreme. I saw nothing unreal in Kean standing frozen in surprise at the sudden confrontation by Maggie's raging and armed father, while Rita slipped in front and Laura, Nikki, Talia and Maggie moved in. They weren't in danger, he was. Demanding anything more macho from "any man" just smacks of too much time watching movies, TV and video game shooters. Or reading comic books.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Mortze » Wed, 17May17 16:00

JFR wrote:The idea that anyone has any idea how he or anyone else would react when confronted with an enraged, shotgun wielding, powerful authority figure is simply ludicrous. The first 20+ years of my adult career were in law enforcement. Even with extensive training for just such an occurrence, we don't really know how we will react until it happens. For my first such experience, it was well that I had all that training because that is what kept me alive and moving for the first several seconds when my brain wanted to freeze. The overwhelming reaction is "what - what - what - WTF???" I counseled many trainees over the years who had similar experiences and it is the training and experience that keep us going out to face such things day after day. To expect a shy, computer-geek, recent engineering graduate with little or no experience in such things to suddenly turn all Duke Nukem (dating myself, here) at the first sign of danger is just unrealistic in the extreme. I saw nothing unreal in Kean standing frozen in surprise at the sudden confrontation by Maggie's raging and armed father, while Rita slipped in front and Laura, Nikki, Talia and Maggie moved in. They weren't in danger, he was. Demanding anything more macho from "any man" just smacks of too much time watching movies, TV and video game shooters. Or reading comic books.

I don't have your background but I reasoned the same. In fact, I thought how I would react. And I'm not ashamed to confess that probably I'd go "deer gazing at approaching car".
Rita has more expertise in dealing with stressful situations than Kean. She's a professional deep diver. She has built in mental responses to stress. Kean doesn't.
I don't know what a definition of a man is Dolphin-BR. But we, men, aren't all molded the same way. That doesn't mean we're more or less men.
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Re: Pandora

Postby ltpika » Wed, 17May17 17:35

"Friendly points" for Rita that don't lead to anything...the end result of said "friendship path" is perving on a vulnerable person? So it ends in you being a terrible friend. That makes no sense. Comes off as an attempt to make up for a cancelled path, hence the awkward context.

Serious George Lucas-ing is happening here with the explanations we're getting. There was compromise/changes in the interim between the two halves of this chapter in order to finish it. It is understandable to a degree, when you stop working on something it inevitably changes, especially if people are hounding you to finish it (well before p-tron was involved.) So things get rushed, things get forgotten. I really detest the people who picked on mortze's english, history of this game would have unfolded differently had they not done that. It was perfectly easy understand as it was.
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Re: Pandora

Postby JFR » Wed, 17May17 18:04

ltpika wrote:... the people who picked on mortze's english, history of this game would have unfolded differently had they not done that. It was perfectly easy understand as it was.

One of the idiosyncrasies we had to deal with in testing this game were some "creative" uses of English. The crew and science team of the Pandora are very international and English is not the first language for several. Even some, like Maggie, Noah and the captain, who are native speakers of English, do so with definite regional accents. Sometimes an angry Scotsman can be rather difficult to understand even though he is speaking English. Mortze wanted to preserve that international flavor in the dialog and some of the "errors" the testers (ok, mostly me) identified were actually there to highlight those differences and were left in the final product. It is very possible that some of those who complain about it are simply not realizing the intent of the author.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Marco6661 » Wed, 17May17 19:33

JFR wrote:
ltpika wrote:... the people who picked on mortze's english, history of this game would have unfolded differently had they not done that. It was perfectly easy understand as it was.

One of the idiosyncrasies we had to deal with in testing this game were some "creative" uses of English. The crew and science team of the Pandora are very international and English is not the first language for several. Even some, like Maggie, Noah and the captain, who are native speakers of English, do so with definite regional accents. Sometimes an angry Scotsman can be rather difficult to understand even though he is speaking English. Mortze wanted to preserve that international flavor in the dialog and some of the "errors" the testers (ok, mostly me) identified were actually there to highlight those differences and were left in the final product. It is very possible that some of those who complain about it are simply not realizing the intent of the author.

I totaly agree with that because I know myself so much this kind of problem [img]images/icones/icon17.gif[/img]
Like some people known in this place, my English is terrific! [img]images/icones/icon9.gif[/img] :(

Marco [img]images/icones/icon18.gif[/img]
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Re: Pandora

Postby Crane » Wed, 17May17 19:47

Marco6661 wrote:Like some people known in this place, my English is terrific! [img]images/icones/icon9.gif[/img] :(

Marco [img]images/icones/icon18.gif[/img]


We all excel at that. When i read some people's english i feel frustrated by my baby talk english. But then i realise i'm not the only one and i get even more frustrated. :D
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Re: Pandora

Postby xsandman78 » Wed, 17May17 19:59

tlaero wrote:Re: Rita. I don't fully remember the conversation, but I'm pretty sure I convinced Mortze not to have an actual Rita sex scene and make it a daydream instead. I don't think those two actually having sex is in character for either of them (whereas I think the dream sequence is completely in character for Kean). All that said, if people feel strongly about this and Mortze would like for me to change it, I'd be happy to change the few sentences after the scene happens to make it have really happened and Rita admonishes Kean to not tell anyone. Mortze, it's up to you.

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While certainly not my hopes fpr pt2, having it at least not be a 'waking dream sequence', the moment after they've just had a very intimate moment would be go good imo
Obviously Mortze's has the say as to whether the connection players might see isn't there &/or she wouldn't be willing to act on it.
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Re: Pandora

Postby JFR » Wed, 17May17 21:02

Crane wrote:... When i read some people's english i feel frustrated by my baby talk english. But then i realise i'm not the only one and i get even more frustrated. :D

You should hear my baby talk Japanese or Spanish. On second thought, no, you shouldn't.
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Re: Pandora

Postby lucaskent123456 » Wed, 17May17 21:09

Tlaero, Mortze I thank you for this awesome game! The style, the graphics, the story were amazing! I'm starting to write erotic stories and I always like to play your games so I can get some inspiration.

I must say something though. I think it's a little harsh from some people to throw very bad comments about the game, I mean, the games is free, you can say some things about it but being angry about the game I think is too much.

I do agree in two points with the comments I've seen. I didn't like Kean very much, specially in chapter 2. I mean, he was like super duper nerdy, I think even some nerds can find that offensive. I'm a nerd and in some parts of the game I was like "Oh come on, man up!" hahaha and the second thing I didn't like it's that the Rita way didn't go anywhere. I actually wanted to be with Kaori haha but I knew she was out of the question. But Rita? I don't know, I thought that by the decisions in CH1, you would get a chance with her. I read Tlaero's response about the dream sequence being the same as being with her because the games are not real and while I agree on that, I think the magic of these games is to make us believe it's real, at least for a moment. People read books, play videogames and watch movies to leave reality for a moment, if you are gonna say "this is not real" from get go, I think you already killed the atmosphere before even the book, movie or videogame had started.

Anyway, thank you again for your amazing game! I'll be looking forward for the next ones! :)
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Re: Pandora

Postby DarthMelkor » Wed, 17May17 22:03

Apart from one person, I don't think there are any negative responses for this game. Almost everyone loved it and shared their feedback about what they liked and didn't like in game. I think, both Tlaero and Mortze like to hear that and they're mature enough to handle criticism if there's any.

I'm also in the camp of people who like Rita but don't think there's any potential for a relationship with Keane. In fact, I would go as far as to say there wasn't a need to have that day dream sequence with Keane since Rita is just a mentor & he was more likely to have wet dreams about Maggie at that time (but that's just me). Maybe we could have a reminiscence about Rita and Farik instead, since they have a past.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Mortze » Wed, 17May17 22:07

lucaskent123456 wrote:I do agree in two points with the comments I've seen. I didn't like Kean very much, specially in chapter 2. I mean, he was like super duper nerdy, I think even some nerds can find that offensive. I'm a nerd and in some parts of the game I was like "Oh come on, man up!" hahaha

Thanks for your comment :)
I'm also a nerd, and Kean has many aspects of myself. But it's time people stop get offended by everything and start being proud of themselves and love who they are. He may have all the nerd cliches but he has the most beautiful human qualities. He is a far better person than many other games' characters and a far better person than many other real world persons. What's wrong if he has funny hair, some fat, glasses, bad skin, nerdy tastes? That doesn't define him as a decent or not human being.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Gallion » Wed, 17May17 23:18

Le jeu est super jusqu'à présent.

L'histoire est prenante, beaucoup de personnages ce qui peut donner beaucoup de possibilité.

C'est une bonne chose de voir que Kean ne sera plus le personnage qu'on suivra désormais, il n' y avait plus grand chose à raconter et d'objectifs intimes à lui faire accomplir que ce soit la perte de sa virginité ainsi que s'être mis en couple avec la fille qu'il lui plaisait.

Pour ma part, je dois admettre que ça sera rafraîchissant de ne plus voir Maggie quasiment monopoliser les scenes intimes car je la trouve trop juvenile physiquement bien que je comprend que c'était pour lui donner un air très innocente.

Impatient de voir ce que cela va donner avec Farik désormais.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Dolphin-BR » Thu, 17May18 00:53

JFR wrote:
Dolphin-BR wrote:...
9- Even for a shy guy, hiding behind a woman, was a little too much. No man would do that. The girl could have moved in front of him intending to protect him, but he would have pushed her aside.
...

I wasn't going to address this but just couldn't let it lie. It's a curse. Sorry.

The idea that anyone has any idea how he or anyone else would react when confronted with an enraged, shotgun wielding, powerful authority figure is simply ludicrous. The first 20+ years of my adult career were in law enforcement. Even with extensive training for just such an occurrence, we don't really know how we will react until it happens. For my first such experience, it was well that I had all that training because that is what kept me alive and moving for the first several seconds when my brain wanted to freeze. The overwhelming reaction is "what - what - what - WTF???" I counseled many trainees over the years who had similar experiences and it is the training and experience that keep us going out to face such things day after day. To expect a shy, computer-geek, recent engineering graduate with little or no experience in such things to suddenly turn all Duke Nukem (dating myself, here) at the first sign of danger is just unrealistic in the extreme. I saw nothing unreal in Kean standing frozen in surprise at the sudden confrontation by Maggie's raging and armed father, while Rita slipped in front and Laura, Nikki, Talia and Maggie moved in. They weren't in danger, he was. Demanding anything more macho from "any man" just smacks of too much time watching movies, TV and video game shooters. Or reading comic books.


Of course no one can predict the reaction of anyone else, sometimes not even our own, when facing extreme danger. But the common manly behavior would be one out of three: Fight, freeze, or run. Not hide behind a woman. I guess 'freeze' would be the best option for a character like Kean. Once again, as I said before, he could have had a totally different reaction, like going berserk and tackling the captain. At those moments one shows what he's really made of, there is no choice, no pretending, nowhere to hide, you just show your core.

Maybe with the large experience in similar situations JFR must have seen or heard some cases when I man hid behind a woman to protect himself, and he was not a criminal using a person as a shield. I doubt it thou.
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Re: Pandora

Postby JFR » Thu, 17May18 01:27

Dolphin-BR wrote:... At those moments one shows what he's really made of, there is no choice, no pretending, nowhere to hide, you just show your core.

Maybe with the large experience in similar situations JFR must have seen or heard some cases when I man hid behind a woman to protect himself, and he was not a criminal using a person as a shield. I doubt it thou.

Well, I only have two comments here and then I will be done. It serves no purpose to discuss this kind of thing on a game site.

In the game, Kean did not "hide behind a woman." That is a complete misstatement of the scene. He froze. And then Rita stepped in front of him. The artwork is quite clear about that. The action then resolved very quickly so there really wouldn't have been much time to do anything else. Maggie got to her father and the crisis passed.

Secondly, that whole nonsense about "... shows what he is made of ... ... you just show your core" is complete and utter bullshit! No doubt based on the poster's wide-ranging and extensive experience in crisis situations. :sarcastic:

The real world is not that simple. Nor that well scripted. Real people, with no training or experience, do not "show their core" the first time such things jump up and hit them between the eyes. That is cinema idol heroics. Rarely, they react in a "Flight 94 way" and all die in the process. More often, none of that happens.

Enough! Arguing about a fictional character in a porno computer game is almost a definition of futility. I'm done with that subject.
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Re: Pandora

Postby Weltmeister » Thu, 17May18 02:16

He may have all the nerd cliches but he has the most beautiful human qualities. He is a far better person than many other games' characters and a far better person than many other real world persons.


And that's the reason for why I thought that he could start something serious with a hot women like Rita instead of just being focused on Maggie. I hoped that Rita would notice and give him a fair chance. There has been something special between both of them in Part I.
But I completely understand the actual outcome as it just seems more realistic. Nice guys rarely get the hot girls.
And I actually think that Kean is the most likeable male protagonist in your games, Mortze. I don't know why. Maybe because he is this shy nerd without the abs and muscles.
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