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Postby johnnybriggs » Fri, 17Feb03 14:22

Not my favourite LOP game, but decent. Took a while to get anywhere, but figured out all of the achievements etc.

I found Veronica's character to be extremely hypocritical and to be honest, a bit of a dick.

Like, it's OK for her to let Che join in with her and Zara without your permission. On another story arc it's also fine for Felix to get involved with her and Che without your permission but if you do anything with anyone else without her around that she finds out about, she gets mad. Total hypocrite!

On the subject of Che, she says that she doesn't like him and won't sleep with him, yet she does if left to her own devices?


I found some quiet big scripting errors too.

If you get Zara to convince Veronica to have sex with Che instead of using the $1000 drink and then go to find her, Tyron still berates you for drugging her and then if you break up the threesome that you find, when you're leaving the club, it still says that you drugged your wife etc, when you didn't.

Also, if you let Veronica have sex with Tyron, even if you make him us a condom (i.e. - don't click the reaction to tell him not to), and it explicitly says that he put one on, if you tell him to "fill her up" Veronica says "You don't have a condom on!" When you go through all the scenes and he cums, he asks her if she's safe.

Basic logic fails.

Lastly, there is some kind of bug that prevented me from getting the 6 star scene with Alex & Natasha - when the scene begins, the first 3 stars are already gold and even though I seem to click the correct options to those 3 choices and the following 3, the option for "Alex lined up behind Natasha" is greyed out and can't be selected!


Apart from the above, there is a minor bug whereby if you don't tip the barman, this option remains on subsequent visits to the bar and obscures other options.

Considering how long it's taken to put this game out, I think it's sad that it's been released with these quite glaring errors. [img]images/icones/icon6.gif[/img]

And don't even get me started on the grammar....haha :crazy:
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby GingkoBiloba » Fri, 17Feb03 16:57

i mentioned it previously and my opinion is still the same, they just keep repeating the same old gameplay and stories, easily forgettable games and characters, nothing new, just more of the same, it's a pity because i really used to like lop games a few years back, now they just keep using the same formula to exhaustion and the new improved graphics are not enough to grab my attention anymore, i hope better days will come to lop land...
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby TheGreatJoeGargery » Fri, 17Feb03 17:29

I actually liked it. It did seem rushed (Veronica has these disappearing and reappearing thigh high boots in cutscenes) but it was much more challenging than what has been seen before. I liked the addition of a timer on some decisions like what Telltale has for their games (although it's not overused in this game). I rejoined LOP earlier in the week since I still hadn't played Jacob's Rebound and couldn't help making comparisons between the two games. Jacob's rebound is a fine game, but it is the most Lesson of Passion game that ever Lesson of Passioned. Sometimes I feel sorry for Lesson of Passion, since what would be a masterpiece for most other creators is simply just expected of them for a game to be mediocre. With Club Velvet Rose there seems to be the attempt to try something new which is always a good thing in my book. It is still aesthetically a Lesson of Passion Game and they didn't reinvent the wheel on the gameplay but the small progress is noticed and welcome.

In response to johnnybriggs first problem with the game, I didn't see that as a problem. It kind of states that perhaps you shouldn't ply your wife with alcohol all night to get her to be more wild then complain when she becomes more wild in a way you didn't expect, or if you are going to ply her with alcohol then perhaps take some responsibility for her and not let her out of your sight. I know getting your date drunk is almost a staple in dating sims. I like seeing a wrench thrown into that mechanic that maybe it isn't the most responsible thing to do. I do like the fact that the best laid plans in this game can sometimes go astray.

I am hoping that the release of this game is just a test of the concept and if the game is successful that expansions are planned. The club seems to be very underpopulated which is my main complaint and I am hoping that an expansion would add to the population. The game is also split into two phases. The first one is when your wife is very apprehensive about the club, which doesn't last very long until you
ply her with enough alcohol to perform a striptease
. Then you go into the second part where she is pretty much up for anything. I would like a second option to transition from the first phase to the second. The addition of a second couple in the lounge who are also fairly new that Veronica and James could talk to instead of just Che and Alex. Each couple could share their apprehensions with each other and end up experimenting together. It wouldn't be as wild as the other option but it also wouldn't require copious amounts of alcohol either. There could actually be a musician playing the piano and a dance floor for the two couples to dance with each other's partner (the other couple could be good ballroom dancers and be willing to show Veronica and James). That could get Veronica comfortable in a different way and progress the game into Phase 2. If you choose this route then Phase 2 is all about avoiding the pitfalls of the club for you and the other couple. Che could target your wife, or the other new guys wife (or both). Alex and Natasha could be used as distractions to separate the two women from their men. I would also like to see the addition of a Phase 3, where if you are on this path then you, Veronica, and the other new couple finally consummate your relationship in a less kinky and more romantic way. There could be an additional ending where you and the other couple go out to picnics and become good friends who also have some benefits as well, where you don't go back to the club but instead hang out with each other outside the club and the addition of the new friends saves your marriage.

If you choose the original option to transition to Phase 2 I'd like to see more than one couple added during that transition. Each couple added could provide different fantasies for the player and you could keep adding different fetishes with each couple (I'm sure people will have no shortage of advice for potential fantasies). There would still also be a Phase 3 where more couples arrive and the later the arrival the more extreme the fetishes (Zara's boyfriend could also show up in Phase 3 as well). By Phase 3 perhaps Veronica is becoming a little too comfortable in the club (and a little too drunk) and takes initiative on her own (perhaps she encourages you to talk to someone while she goes to flirt with the bartender for example). Perhaps some of the original endings don't have to be endings, but instead progress the game to Phase 3 (along with some new ways to get there) and some dead ends (like what happens if you speak with Alex when Zara and Veronica go off on their own as well as your conversation with Alex during that time) could be progressed in Phase 3. You could also choose to leave at Phase 3 and depending on what you've done up until then you could get a positive or negative ending. Phase 3 should get really crazy, especially if the game progresses after the events of what would get you Ending 5 or Ending 6.

I do have to agree with johnnybriggs that there are some Ed Wood level of errors in the game. I think this game was rushed so there would be something for Lesson of Passion to release in late January or early February. I know most of these issues will be corrected (some already have been) and none of them were game breaking for me.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby CobraPL » Fri, 17Feb03 20:40

This game is bad. Trial and error nightmare.

Partner swaping and swinging is very good theme. But LOP failed this time. Game is frustrating. Just play once with walthrough and delete/archive.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby TheGreatJoeGargery » Fri, 17Feb03 23:27

CobraPL wrote:This game is bad. Trial and error nightmare.

Partner swaping and swinging is very good theme. But LOP failed this time. Game is frustrating. Just play once with walthrough and delete/archive.


I do agree with the bolded parts of this post. The sex scenes require you to pick the correct responses to get gold or silver stars and you need to get all gold stars to advance to the next scene. You'll usually have to progress through two or three sets of three stars to progress throughout the scene. That means you have to keep replaying the scenes to figure out which are the right responses. There is a logic to the choices but you figure out the logic after you make the choices. This logic makes the choices easy to remember on replay but it can be frustrating your first time through, having to start from the beginning to get back to that spot to try again. What I would like to have seen is a choice, where you need to get all gold stars or all silver stars to proceed (if you mix and match you lose) and your next sex position may be different depending on which you choose. Also Endings 4, 5 and 6 are just different decisions made in the same scene and that scene requires a very specific set of circumstances to occur during the game. You'll probably see Endings 1, 2 and 3 a LOT before you figure out how to see the other three.

If you're expecting to just play and fap (Like Living with Temptation 2, which I am not saying as an insult but because I think it is the expectation of most of the players not liking the difficulty) then this game may be a little frustrating.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby HughMungous » Sat, 17Feb04 03:39

Well, at least all the guys who like cuckolds, watching your wife get gangbanged, and then losing her finally got their wish. I don't get it myself. Maybe people like fantasizing about having a promiscuous wife? Not my cup of tea, but it's all good. I don't get a lot of things, and I'm fine with people having their personal preferences.

But I do kinda miss the traditional "cheat on everyone you can get away with" male fantasy. LoP's bread and butter of turning porno scenarios into full-fledged storylines.

Graphics have gotten amazing though. I still remember the Verona Project days. These new renders are outstanding.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby TheGreatJoeGargery » Sat, 17Feb04 03:54

HughMungous wrote:Well, at least all the guys who like cuckolds, watching your wife get gangbanged, and then losing her finally got their wish. I don't get it myself. Maybe people like fantasizing about having a promiscuous wife? Not my cup of tea, but it's all good. I don't get a lot of things, and I'm fine with people having their personal preferences.

But I do kinda miss the traditional "cheat on everyone you can get away with" male fantasy. LoP's bread and butter of turning porno scenarios into full-fledged storylines.

Graphics have gotten amazing though. I still remember the Verona Project days. These new renders are outstanding.


I've always thought of cuckolding as the horror genre of the fetish world. I don't want to be killed by a dude in a hockey mask in real life but I like watching movies about it. There is a sense of dread that is appealing. It makes more sense if you think of it that way. The cheat on everyone you can get away with fantasy is more of the action movie equivalent. It is a wish fulfillment role and an empowerment fantasy.

Some people want to watch The Exorcist and some want to watch James Bond movies. It's as simple as that.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby DoniDarkos » Sat, 17Feb04 06:31

Gotta admit that it was a bit frustrating to start out and I am still trying to get some action with Zara cuz damn she looks smoking hot! By the way, do you guys have any suggestions on games from LOP and Sex and Glory that are worth playing? I can't find reviews on them online and I didn't find any list of the best games anywhere else either
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby FacelessOne » Sat, 17Feb04 11:07

To be honest, it took me a long ass time to get more than Ending 1, 2 & 3. Probably because i ain't into stuff like this at all iRL. Still havn't found Ending 4...

Technical, the game is (allmost) flawless (ver. 096) and the renders look amazing.

The story is, well... Another story. It is just my opinion but a marriage which can only be repaired by doing stuff like this is dommed either way. And that bad taste is felt throughout the entire story.
Veronica is a bitch and I would bet that she has already cheated on James and is just looking for a way to "legalize" it via the club. And all endings i got so far (1, 2, 3, 5 and 6) support that impression of her.

But well, that's are only my thoughts so far...


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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby TheGreatJoeGargery » Sat, 17Feb04 14:53

FacelessOne wrote:To be honest, it took me a long ass time to get more than Ending 1, 2 & 3. Probably because i ain't into stuff like this at all iRL. Still havn't found Ending 4...

Technical, the game is (allmost) flawless (ver. 096) and the renders look amazing.

The story is, well... Another story. It is just my opinion but a marriage which can only be repaired by doing stuff like this is dommed either way. And that bad taste is felt throughout the entire story.
Veronica is a bitch and I would bet that she has already cheated on James and is just looking for a way to "legalize" it via the club. And all endings i got so far (1, 2, 3, 5 and 6) support that impression of her.

But well, that's are only my thoughts so far...


Cheers


What I got out of the game was that Veronica's actions are atypical for her and the result of her being drunk and in a situation with men more confident, more charming, and more sexually experienced than her husband after her husband has been encouraging her to be more uninhibited all evening. I feel that many people calling Veronica a bitch are ignoring the player's contribution to the situation. There seems to be a "I want her to be more uninhibited but I want it to be on my terms to fulfill my fantasies" mentality. When she becomes her own person and starts exploring her own fantasies people start getting mad at her. I like it because Veronica is a character with her own wants and needs and not just an object of gratification for the player. I do think that this would have been more effective in the game if the player had an option to not ply with her with alcohol and continually try to convince her to fulfill his fantasies.

The funny thing is that the game seems to agree with you that the club won't save their marriage. The four "good" endings are endings 1, 2 5, and 6 and all of them seem to be that the couple has found alternative ways to make the marriage more tolerable by including other people.
One ending has Veronica clearly falling in love with someone else but staying with James for convenience, one has you as a couple entering into an almost sugar daddy relationship, one has James falling in love with another woman but again staying together because she will never be exclusively his and one is all about the group sex.
None of the endings really strengthens the bonds between Veronica and James. Veronica and James think going to the club will save their marriage, but at the same time it also says that this is a move of desperation and that they really have nothing to lose at this point. The game always seems to be subtly saying "perhaps this isn't such a good idea".

Also, for ending 4:

Go through the motions for getting ending 5 and 6. When you speak with Che in the bathroom refuse the deal. Then when he blackmails you set up the threesome with Nat and Alex. You have to wait until after the threesome to go and look for Veronica.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby FacelessOne » Sat, 17Feb04 15:15

TheGreatJoeGargery wrote:What I got out of the game was that Veronica's actions are atypical for her and the result of her being drunk and in a situation with men more confident, more charming, and more sexually experienced than her husband after her husband has been encouraging her to be more uninhibited all evening. I feel that many people calling Veronica a bitch are ignoring the player's contribution to the situation. There seems to be a "I want her to be more uninhibited but I want it to be on my terms to fulfill my fantasies" mentality. When she becomes her own person and starts exploring her own fantasies people start getting mad at her. I like it because Veronica is a character with her own wants and needs and not just an object of gratification for the player. I do think that this would have been more effective in the game if the player had an option to not ply with her with alcohol and continually try to convince her to fulfill his fantasies.

The funny thing is that the game seems to agree with you that the club won't save their marriage. The four "good" endings are endings 1, 2 5, and 6 and all of them seem to be that the couple has found alternative ways to make the marriage more tolerable by including other people.
One ending has Veronica clearly falling in love with someone else but staying with James for convenience, one has you as a couple entering into an almost sugar daddy relationship, one has James falling in love with another woman but again staying together because she will never be exclusively his and one is all about the group sex.
None of the endings really strengthens the bonds between Veronica and James. Veronica and James think going to the club will save their marriage, but at the same time it also says that this is a move of desperation and that they really have nothing to lose at this point. The game always seems to be subtly saying "perhaps this isn't such a good idea".

Also, for ending 4:

Go through the motions for getting ending 5 and 6. When you speak with Che in the bathroom refuse the deal. Then when he blackmails you set up the threesome with Nat and Alex. You have to wait until after the threesome to go and look for Veronica.


You're right, without the constant "nagging" of the player it would be a boring evening and the marriage dies anyway. But, being drunk is no excuse. From my expirience, being drunk just enhances what is already there, lurking beneth. All people i know iRL are like that, inculding me.
So yeah, i really dislike Veronica...

BtW: What is that with the russian LOP Girls? 2 out of 3 are blondes and the thrid has dyed hair.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby DoniDarkos » Sat, 17Feb04 20:45

FacelessOne wrote:To be honest, it took me a long ass time to get more than Ending 1, 2 & 3. Probably because i ain't into stuff like this at all iRL. Still havn't found Ending 4...

Technical, the game is (allmost) flawless (ver. 096) and the renders look amazing.

The story is, well... Another story. It is just my opinion but a marriage which can only be repaired by doing stuff like this is dommed either way. And that bad taste is felt throughout the entire story.
Veronica is a bitch and I would bet that she has already cheated on James and is just looking for a way to "legalize" it via the club. And all endings i got so far (1, 2, 3, 5 and 6) support that impression of her.

But well, that's are only my thoughts so far...


Cheers


Yeah, I could not look away from the screen once I saw Zara and then Natasha later on :crazy:

I hope they are making projects that put us in specific situations like this even though majority won't like it because I wanna immerse myself in not so common stories rather than your typical romance dating sim
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby herkalurk » Sat, 17Feb04 21:40

I agree with the way the game is setup it can be frustrating, overall I had fun with the game.

On another note: Why does it seem like all of the newer models coming from LOP and S&G are all huge tit women? I know this is a fantasy world, but I've fantasized about many women who didn't have tits larger than my head. I feel like we need more variety in the models other than skin color, tattoos, and personality traits. This reminds me of mainstream porn and almost all of the 'milf' type performers have fake tits. Only a couple haven't been blown up. I'm not saying to remove them completely and go au natural for all models, but toss in a few with realistic sized bodies here and there.
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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby CobraPL » Sun, 17Feb05 09:22

Basic pointers...

Zara- When you first get to the club, quietly ask Veronica if she finds Zara hot and then tell Zara that she looks smokin' tonight. Back! Click on Zara again and ask Veronica again what she thinks of Zara. Back again!
When entering club, say "I said I would fuck her".
Bartender - Smile at Tyron and take your drink from bartender and then go back to the bar to tip him.
Che/Alexandra - Ask them about the pole/do nothing. Ask them how they met and offer them some drinks.
Leave her with them, Go to restroom and get wallet, go to Zara then to Tyron to get her a refill but don't go back to Zara!
Convince Veronica to dance on the pole, go to Tyron and offer her another drink. Then convince her to dance on the pole.
Do nothing, wink at her to encourage her, then have her her follow you to the blue couch. Ask Natasha what she thinks about us.
Ask her to stay with them, go to blue sofa and inquire about the threesome..
Rest of story follows.


Just Zara

Go on your own to Zara and speak with her. A dialogue option will come up ask her her what she drinks. Then go to the bar alone and get the drink. After Veronica’s strip show, speak with her and ask her about the bartender giving her money. Reply that you’re not mad and that you’re ok with her having sex with him. Then go to the bar with Veronica and leave her at the bar to chat with him. Then go to Zara while Veronica is distracted at the bar and give her the drink.
Zara/James scene - *Cumstain Macguyver Acheivement*

Tyron/Veronica (Ending 1)

Follow Zara route and either get a BJ from Zara or not then return to the bar and let her seduce Tyron.
Tyron/Veronica cuckold scene - *Once You Go Black Acheivement*

Natasha/Felix 4some (Ending 2)

Whisper to Felix that Natasha looks amazing. When Felix wants to show you Natasha’s famous cocksucking skills, you accept the show. Then when he asks if you wanna switch so you can test Natasha's skill, dont answer him directly. Let him talk about the club secrets and then throw some drinks in the equation.
If you follow your wife and accept her idea, it's a *Through The Hole Acheivement* for you! Upon returning, toast to Orgasms!
If you flirt with Natasha, go to the restroom and see Felix/Veronica gloryhole. Then accept Natasha's teasing advances and tell it was hot. Natasha/James scene - *Behind Closed Doors Achievement*
Upon returning, take Felix to the side for a chat and then ask Veronica about doing it with them.
Encourage her to kiss Natasha then take Veronica aside for a chat.
Felix/Natasha/Veronica/James scene - *Creamy Makeup Acheivement*

Zara/Veronica

Ask Veronica if she’ll make out with Zara then bring her to Zara and ask her to kiss Zara.

Che/Alexandra 3some

Have Zara go off with Veronica, then talk to Che and join him and his wife. *Make Her Beg Achievement*
Afterwards, go to the bathroom and Che will confront you. Agree to let him sleep with Veronica. Talk to Veronica about Che, she’ll turn you down. Then go to Zara to help you convince Veronica, choose second option, Veronica will go off with Che.

Natasha/Alexandra 3some (Ending 5)

You have to convince Veronica to have sex with Che and you must have gotten the blowjob from Zara without getting caught. Then you stay and wait!
Alexandra/Zara/James scene - *Alpha Male Achievment*

4some ending - Veronica/Che/Felix

To get the foursome with the other guys, go through the process of getting the threesome with Natasha and Alex. When Che talks to you in the bathroom refuse his offer but then go through with the threesome anyway. When Natasha and Alex leave the room before the threesome starts go and check on Veronica.

Another achievement/ending

After blackmailed by Che, ask Vero about sex with Che. Tell her to stay with Che and Alexandra, go to the bar and a 1000$ drink is available to buy for Veronica to make completely drunk… Try it!!!

Scenes...
Zara/James - Talk dirty, make her purr, pull her down onto your cock then cum in her mouth.

Alexandra/James - Compliment her skills, grab the back of her head, talk dirty to her, I stopped her. Ask her to describe what she feels, pull her down further, make her beg for more, then turn her over on her back. Stare at her breasts, ask Che to get a close up, tease her some more, then power through her orgasm. Ram it deeper, slap her ass, pick up the pace, and then come inside her ass.

Tyron/Veronica - Encourage her to take his dick deeper, tell him to fuck her violently, tell her to tell Tyron she loves his cock, and ask him to stop so she can suck him off. Encourage Tyron to go deeper, say you envy him, x, tell him to fuck her, he talked dirty to her, she kissed him, he fucked her faster, and she wanted it inside.

Alexandra/Zara/James - Have Alex talk dirty, talk dirty to natasha, push natasha's head down deeper, looked at Alexandra's eyes, teased Natasha, complimented Natasha's skills, "Alex lined up behind Natasha" is bugged so choose to have sex with the girls.
Sweet talk Natasha, ask for a double bj, and grab a handful of Alex's hair, and then hold back. Talk dirty to Natasha, ask how Natasha's ass feels, bury yourself deeper, then hold back a little longer. Hold out a bit longer, stay with the girls.

Natasha/James scene - Compliment her skills, look down at her, tell her you're close, then pull out and cum on her face.

Felix/Natasha/Veronica/James Scene - First 2 choices don't seem to matter but I like "both girls put on a show and felix complimented Veronica - Rub Natasha's ass, watch her tits bounce, stare into her eyes, and take back your wife. Slap Veronica's ass, get lost in her eyes. Don't let her get anal. Enjoy the scene!

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Re: Club Velvet Rose LOP Gold

Postby TheGreatJoeGargery » Sun, 17Feb05 16:13

FacelessOne wrote: You're right, without the constant "nagging" of the player it would be a boring evening and the marriage dies anyway. But, being drunk is no excuse. From my expirience, being drunk just enhances what is already there, lurking beneth. All people i know iRL are like that, inculding me.
So yeah, i really dislike Veronica...

BtW: What is that with the russian LOP Girls? 2 out of 3 are blondes and the thrid has dyed hair.


You do have a point though. I have a feeling that James is an unreliable narrator and is leaving some things out of both the intro and the endings to make himself look better in them. This becomes painfully obvious in Ending 1, especially after going through the scene multiple times and getting the silver stars which shows exactly how Veronica feels about her new lover. James claims that the club saves their marriage but that is only because they have no reason to fight anymore since Veronica has found a way to meet her needs without James. She no longer requires James to meet her needs so there is no longer any more need for her to nag him. Deep down James knows this but spins it in a way that omits those details.

Going into the club I think Veronica's exact reasons are that she is unsatisfied with James sexually (and probably emotionally as well). I also think you're right that Veronica is just looking for an excuse to cheat. She does have all the signs of someone who is about to cheat but honestly she wouldn't be at the club if she was cheating already because she would just be out cheating. You are defiantly right that cheating is on her mind and that is why they are at the club, but she does put some rules in place and except for one circumstance she follows them (which I'll talk about in a spoiler tag). The rules are designed to try to get what she wants in a way where James can also get what he wants. It may not work out that way in reality but that is the intent. In the Ending 1 path she finds exactly what she is looking for yet still follows the rules to get it and doesn't pursue it if the character says no. She is the one trying to do this in a way where neither of them get hurt. James is the one running around the club only concerned about getting his own rocks off. His selfishness is probably a large part of the reason they are having marriage problems (which he also conveniently left out of the intro).

In regards to Veronica allowing Che to have sex with her when she is with Zara, I think Che is a guy that has talked his way into a lot of married woman's pants, drunk or not. Veronica needs a LOT of encouragement to have sex with him when you want her to, so I think it was more his seduction abilities that he puts into use when you're not around to stop him rather than her wanting to have sex with him from the start is what causes that incident as well as what happens to her in the final sex scenes if you go looking for her on the path that leads to Endings 4, 5 and 6.


In short, I think you are completely right about Veronica coming to the club wanting to legitimize her desire to be unfaithful. My only disagreement is that this makes her a bitch. She, unlike James, has done everything possible to try to make sure her partner doesn't get hurt by this experience. What they didn't account for is that the club is a Gothic setting. The location itself is full of dangers for the couple and their relationship and this danger is masked from James and Veronica until it is too late. The player may become aware of this danger and is left to guide James through this setting and has to do it making decisions that James would make with the information he has (and without the information he chooses to ignore). James is so blinded by the possibilities of this environment that he is oblivious to the dangers. That is what I like about this game and what I would like to see more of in an expansion.

In regards to the blond Russian women, I think someone at LOP has a crush on a Blond Russian woman.
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