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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Squeeky » Wed, 11Aug03 04:20

TheBrain wrote:............

Edit: Squeeky's post came in while I was writing:
Squeeky wrote:Now I am concerned that the middle girl is somewhere between 15-17. She is "featuring" in an activity which (of that perceived given age) does not comply with the rules.

As I mention above this perceived age is also present in SD3. As long as the story is not explicit about the age I don't think there is much of an issue. After all the SD3 thread has been on here for 2 years without any problems.


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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby shark » Wed, 11Aug03 06:56

I do not wish that a polemic be started on the " acceptable limits " for children representation in sexual stories. That can drive us toward dangerous discussions
I think that the rules quoted by Graen must be applied strictly and his answer is mine.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Greebo » Wed, 11Aug03 10:52

Squeeky wrote:Now I am concerned that the middle girl is somewhere between 15-17. She is "featuring" in an activity which (of that perceived given age) does not comply with the rules.

I fully realise that what shark says goes on this site -- it does belong to him after all -- but I would point out that when we first meet Wendy and Chloe, their appearance and context put them clearly in the above sub 18 category, even though shark can obviously bend his own rules.

My own inclinations are to say that even 18 is probably too young for most people to have got to grips with their own sexuality which is why they ought to be parent/guardian advised when young adolescents, even if they think they know their own minds. I also recognise that loving sexual relationships can be formed in early adolescence, but this tends to be the exception rather than the rule. (Jerry Lee Lewis' marriage to his young cousin lasted 13 years before his third divorce -- not bad going, considering)

I must say I'm a little surprised that Graen is so latched on to US Federal law, when you consider that the majority of Americans appear to object to what they consider Federal interference in State laws -- if ILSWriter had her material in one of the more permissive States, would that over 18 requirement apply, even if she is a US citizen?

When the age of majority in the UK was dropped from 21 to 18, I remember reckoning that most 18 year olds weren't fit to vote, in fact from that point of view I felt that raising the age to 25 would be more appropriate -- I certainly wasn't fit to vote when I was 21 and neither were many of my peers!

Maybe the ancient Jews had it right, courtesy of Moses et al -- you enter adulthood at 13 but are not considered really responsible until you are 25 when you are expected to do the main graft of society until you are 50. Only then are you considered to be experienced enough and have gained sufficient wisdom to give sound advice. Presumably this was the sort of theory behind the formation of the US Senate -- pity it didn't work!
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby TheBrain » Wed, 11Aug03 17:13

shark wrote:I do not wish that a polemic be started on the " acceptable limits " for children representation in sexual stories. That can drive us toward dangerous discussions
I think that the rules quoted by Graen must be applied strictly and his answer is mine.

And how will this apply to previous posts that have technically already violated those rules? (i.e. where the perceived age is below 18). As mentioned above: School Dreams 3, I can think of Robozou as another clear example, Pusooy's cheerleader party can fall in this category, etc...
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby shark » Wed, 11Aug03 18:08

TheBrain wrote:And how will this apply to previous posts that have technically already violated those rules? (i.e. where the perceived age is below 18). As mentioned above: School Dreams 3, I can think of Robozou as another clear example, Pusooy's cheerleader party can fall in this category, etc...

I am not qualified for guessing if a 3d model is less or more than 18 but I think that there is a difference between "young girl" and " baby".
To be clear, it's not the law which justifies my decision but rather my personal moral.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby TheBrain » Wed, 11Aug03 18:18

shark wrote:I am not qualified for guessing if a 3d model is less or more than 18 but I think that there is a difference between "young girl" and " baby".
To be clear, it's not the law which justifies my decision but rather my personal moral.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I was talking about the apparently teenage models, not the ~5 year old girl in this story, which as I previously already stated I consider bad taste in an erotic story. I hope this clears it up for ILSWriter, it did for me at least :).
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby iksanabot » Wed, 11Aug03 18:37

The Brain said:
Is it that it's supposed to be realistic? But the stories themselfs are already really unrealistic (nudist camps are not sex paradises, etc.). It seems to me that the whole "kids seeing/being around sex" is some sort of fetish in this story, which is rather a turnoff for me.

I agree with TheBrain 100%. My first reaction to seeing the story in question was to decide never to visit ILSWriter's site again. I felt a little betrayed when I clicked the link and found myself looking at an erotic story that contained images of children. I've been an avid fan of ILSWriter but I think this latest boundary pushing is in very bad taste and reflects very poor judgement. I want to give ILSWriter the benefit of the doubt, that she included the images to set a context that she felt contriubted to the story in a non-erotic way, but I find it very hard to see it that way.
I'm posting now to express my opinion, but also to ask ILSWriter to explain herself so that I may feel less appalled at this turn of hers. Also, to ask her to please never ever include children (under 16) in any way in her stories in the future.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Arnulf » Thu, 11Aug04 09:11

This discussion seems to me like the storm in the waterglass. We all know from real life that girls which are younger than 18 years does have sex already. I think, a young girl, who has a female appearance is enough to be used in some games. We are NOT convinced to declare her age! :p
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Greebo » Thu, 11Aug04 10:08

iksanabot wrote:...ask her to please never ever include children (under 16) in any way in her stories in the future.

Mmm, I see no reason to exclude little children from innocent groupings -- just make sure they don't appear in sexually or erotically charged or explicit scenes. Most sane people don't overtly flaunt their sexual activities in front of minors or those who might be offended anyway.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby iksanabot » Thu, 11Aug04 19:01

Greebo wrote:
I see no reason to exclude little children from innocent groupings

I don't mean to suggest such a limitation on others, but I think ILSWriter, because of this latest work - that is hard to interpret as anything other than an attempt to contribute eroticism to her story by including children (though I'm hoping she can explain it away as something else) - should avoid anything further in this direction. That is, I think this latest work colors all her work in an unfavorable light now, and if she included a child in her work in the future (innocently, in the background) it would raise some of the same feelings being expressed now, just by this history.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Jackson » Thu, 11Aug04 20:09

I think the question in the poll is also a little misleading.
Because I don't mind that there appear young kids in the story but I do mind if they get involved in the action we are all looking forward to! ;)
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby ILSWriter » Thu, 11Aug04 22:44

Boy, you guys are tough. Green tells me to shutup so I really can't reply to your remarks. But maybe I can make one suggestion without getting Green upset again. Please go back to my post that started this, where I was asking for help in writing this story. It is ILSWriter's post of Tue, 11Aug02 23.22. I refer to a cute little girl. Note that it has not been revised since it was posted.

I would be happy to explain why I have included the two kids in this story but Green told me to shut up so I will.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby MSK » Thu, 11Aug04 23:25

I'm just gonna not look at THAT comic and read the others.........Simple as that......unless he changes it. [img]images/icones/icon15.gif[/img]
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby LRM » Thu, 11Aug04 23:31

ILSWriter wrote:Boy, you guys are tough. Green tells me to shut up so I really can't reply to your remarks. But maybe I can make one suggestion without getting Green upset again. Please go back to my post that started this, where I was asking for help in writing this story. It is ILSWriter's post of Tue, 11Aug02 23.22. I refer to a cute little girl. Note that it has not been revised since it was posted.

I would be happy to explain why I have included the two kids in this story but Green told me to shut up so I will.

Ms Jane; I did not read Graen's post as shut-up! In fact when I read where he linked the rule your story pushes I thought well put.

Child nudity and child pornography are not the same any more than are apples and oranges. The real problem IMO is the interpretation of what child pornography is. Sunday evenings ABC airs "America's Funniest Home Videos". Infants backsides and organs are pixelated to ensure no one can be incensed. This is beyond all reason!!!
If your story is based in a nudist camp (saggy tits and wrinkled cottage cheese asses - ugh), then persons of all ages are likely nude. That in itself IMO violates no rule. If the children are openly viewing sexual activity that may, and at the very least it is in bad taste. If the young guardian is obviously below the age of majority, images portraying sexual activity containing her IMO should not be a part of your story. To protect this site if for no other reason!!!

I have not seen nor am I likely to see the story in question. I have not played nor am I likely to play D&S III. There are things that I just don't care to see.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby iksanabot » Fri, 11Aug05 18:43

ILSWriter wrote:
Please go back to my post that started this, where I was asking for help in writing this story


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I would be happy to explain why I have included the two kids in this story but Green told me to shut up so I will.


I realize that you gave an indication that there was a boundary you would not cross, and that is good. But I still find it strange/alarming that you wanted to include certain aspects at all. TheBrain described the reason this is alarming and off-putting very well. But I would like to hear your explanation.

Graen, I think she is waiting for your permission to explain herself, can you give it? Or I guess Shark's permission would be more important, Shark, can you please say if she can explain herself or not?
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