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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby ILSWriter » Thu, 11Jul28 23:06

Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Squeeky. I think I understand what you are suggesting. At that time I didn't feel comfortable in using the variables available in Tlaero's program. I am not sure I will write anymore stories using the Tlaero program. It's easy to use but it makes it more difficult to write. But then, it was just 48 hours ago that I told the Lagooners about the link to the story. So nobody knew about it except those who read this thread. In two days there have been almost 300 visitors to that story. I am sure a lot are repeat visitors looking for the other endings but still there seems to be some interest in this type of story.

Nobody complained about the nuns and priests in my last story so I will push a little further. My next story has boys and girls from early teens to early 20's in it.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby v » Fri, 11Jul29 00:32

I think the biggest flaw was small refering points, especially during the sex scenes.
I love the part when young nun deny to undress and story don't make you through this afterall, but goes toward new direction.
This interactive story smelled a little bit like a game, but definitely was worth your time.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Hoboy » Sat, 11Jul30 02:22

Just had to post a congratulations on this next step, ILSWriter. I haven't been in here for a couple weeks (vacation) and just happened to spot a little logo in the upper right of your home page. To my delight it opened what looks to be a nicely complex little game, Knowing what all Tlaero and Phreaky put into their games I have to admit this is very impressive for one person. How long did something like this take? I will be following the branches shortly to wee where it all takes me. One comment that Squeeky made was where I went - after the mention f the discipline I purposely went that direction first, but kind of led in an unexpected direction. No complaints tho - all in all it is quite interesting and I know will keep me engaged for some time. Thanks again.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Hey Chief » Sat, 11Jul30 05:39

First, thanks for the sneak peek! The twists in the story line are out standing (your art work always is of course). I truly enjoyed the twists and turns depending on the answer you selected. How long did it take your to lay it all out if I might ask?

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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby ILSWriter » Sat, 11Jul30 17:54

How long did something like this take?

How long did it take your to lay it all out if I might ask?


This last story took 14 days from the day I started to the day I published it on my site.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby ILSWriter » Tue, 11Aug02 23:22

If you are interested I could use some more of your wonderful help. You can find the beginning of my latest at:
http://www.illustratedlovestories.com/polls.html
Click on the girl in the green dress.

This will be something a little different. I'm opening this up to everybody in the Lagoon (who reads this thread [img]images/icones/icon14.gif[/img] ) to supply input while the story is still being written. Don't be disappointed if your suggestions aren't used but I promise they will be considered. For instance, there's a cute little girl, Angie. Don't even suggest something sexual with her.

A question for Shark or his helpers. Would posting the sauna scene in this thread be out of bounds?
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Graen » Tue, 11Aug02 23:56

ILSWriter wrote:A question for Shark or his helpers. Would posting the sauna scene in this thread be out of bounds?
ILS, please be aware of the rules here regarding what you post.
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The following content is prohibited:
- Images featuring models under 18 years old
- Images portraying bestiality
- Images and other media, which could discriminate against nationality,race, sex, sexual orientation, religious creed, or mental/physical handicaps of individual persons or groups.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby ILSWriter » Wed, 11Aug03 00:19

Graen, this is why I asked. Your answer doesn't really help.I have an opinion but I was asking for Shark's definition of, 'featuring.'

Images featuring models under 18 years old

My dictionary among other things defines 'featuring' as :

'to give special prominence to,' or

'to play an important part'

Do my two little kids in the sauna with six others fit that definition?

A 'yes' or 'no' answer will help.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Graen » Wed, 11Aug03 00:46

Child Pornography will not be tolerated here.

If you have further questions, please contact your local FBI office.

Please, do not pursue this line of questioning here again.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby LRM » Wed, 11Aug03 00:55

ILSWriter wrote:Graen, this is why I asked. Your answer doesn't really help.I have an opinion but I was asking for Shark's definition of, 'featuring.'

Images featuring models under 18 years old

My dictionary among other things defines 'featuring' as :

'to give special prominence to,' or

'to play an important part'

Do my two little kids in the sauna with six others fit that definition?

A 'yes' or 'no' answer will help.

If I may... Shark is the only one that can honestly answer your query Ms Jane. Perhaps an invitation to a private screening. If my memory is correct your earliest postings caused quite a flap due their youthful appearance.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Greebo » Wed, 11Aug03 01:47

Graen wrote:Child Pornography will not be tolerated here.

If you have further questions, please contact your local FBI office.

Please, do not pursue this line of questioning here again.

Hey Graen, what got you on your high horse? As far as I can see, Jane only appears to be establishing boundaries regarding children who are not sexually involved, but are likely to be seeing sexual activities going on around them.

a) This is not child pornography.
b) The FBI is an American institution -- they have no local office or jurisdiction as far as I and many other denizens of the Lagoon are concerned (including shark as I understand it), although we may have our own rules and authorities regarding matters of this nature. I get rather tired of the good old US of A taking the moral high ground over such issues, causing anyone that has the appearance of being under the age of 18 to be ruled out of fictional sexual material. In the UK the age of consent is 16 and even in the US it depends on the State legislation.

Jerry Lee Lewis first married (legally!) at the age of 14, and his third marriage was to a 13 year old cousin (legitimate after a second ceremony corrected their overenthusiasm of marrying before his divorce from his second wife was fully finalised!) and they were certainly having sex together.

We end up with the ridiculously hypocritical situation of fiction not being allowed to mimic social norms that are neither illegal nor actual child pornography, all because Livejournal and the like are dictated to by the US moral minority!

Rant over!
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Graen » Wed, 11Aug03 02:14

Greebo wrote:Hey Graen, what got you on your high horse? As far as I can see, Jane only appears to be establishing boundaries regarding children who are not sexually involved, but are likely to be seeing sexual activities going on around them.
Oooh, I can tell it's going to be one of those weeks. [img]images/icones/icon14.gif[/img]

Greebo wrote:a) This is not child pornography.
Firstly, please note that the definition of Child Pornography is very abstract and subject to the whim of whichever legal government you are under the protection of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography And more apropos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_child_pornography

Greebo wrote:b) The FBI is an American institution -- they have no local office or jurisdiction as far as I and many other denizens of the Lagoon are concerned (including shark as I understand it), although we may have our own rules and authorities regarding matters of this nature. I get rather tired of the good old US of A taking the moral high ground over such issues, causing anyone that has the appearance of being under the age of 18 to be ruled out of fictional sexual material. In the UK the age of consent is 16 and even in the US it depends on the State legislation.
You are quite right! However Jane/ILSWriter is not so fortunate to live outside the bounds of the US Legal System.

Greebo wrote:Jerry Lee Lewis first married (legally!) at the age of 14, and his third marriage was to a 13 year old cousin (legitimate after a second ceremony corrected their overenthusiasm of marrying before his divorce from his second wife was fully finalised!) and they were certainly having sex together.
And in Spain the age of consent is 13, what's your point?

Greebo wrote:We end up with the ridiculously hypocritical situation of fiction not being allowed to mimic social norms that are neither illegal nor actual child pornography, all because Livejournal and the like are dictated to by the US moral minority!

Rant over!
Which brings us back to here:
1 - Respect of legality
The following content is prohibited:
- Images featuring models under 18 years old
- Images portraying bestiality
- Images and other media, which could discriminate against nationality,race, sex, sexual orientation, religious creed, or mental/physical handicaps of individual persons or groups.
This is Shark's forum, and these are Shark's rules. The models depicted are far, far, far younger than that of an 18 year old.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Squeeky » Wed, 11Aug03 03:23

Yes, the ILS story does raise some issues.
But firstly I trust this is not going to degenerate in a war of words outside an academic/information context.

Having looked at the theme of the story I understand what ILS is asking of Shark, what is he defining as "featuring".

At this point I understand a nudist resort where families and even singles have a right to attend. Pity the story does not give us some concept that the three sisters are there with parents, or if in fact the oldest is the adult "guardian". Knowing that a family unit exists at that locale would be nice.

In such a scenario of genuine nudist life, I personally see no issue with children being 'featured', we wouldn't know what happens later when the kids are in bed.

Now I am concerned that the middle girl is somewhere between 15-17. She is "featuring" in an activity which (of that perceived given age) does not comply with the rules.

A question of Graen. Is a US citizen bound by US laws if his/her material is posted/hosted on a server that is off-shore? (I acknowledge the existence of International Law on Child Porn -- I don't see this in that light).

I am quite comfortable for this discussion to continue providing it is at an academic level, and until Shark gives his adjudication and probably locks this thread.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby Graen » Wed, 11Aug03 03:31

Squeeky wrote:A question of Graen. Is a US citizen bound by US laws if his/her material is posted/hosted on a server that is off-shore? (I acknowledge the existence of International Law on Child Porn -- I don't see this in that light).
Actually, yes, as the material in question would have been created on US soil. Especially if they kept the original materials used in the creation. Just like everywhere, lawyers always find a way to screw you. :(

Squeeky wrote:I am quite comfortable for this discussion to continue providing it is at an academic level, and until Shark gives his adjudication and probably locks this thread.
Hopefully the thread won't be locked, and we'll just move on to discussing ILSWriter's other stories.
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Re: Illustrated Love Stories

Postby TheBrain » Wed, 11Aug03 03:45

I have to agree. As Graen said they are sharks rules, so it is quite irrelevant whether it would technically be legal or not. But I think a much more compelling question is why would you want to include children in erotic stories anyway? What is the added value of a kid walking in on a man trying to seduce a girl in the shower, not to mention that the kid gets lifted up in a sort of suggestive way...
Is it that it's supposed to be realistic? But the stories themselfs are already really unrealistic (nudist camps are not sex paradises, etc.). It seems to me that the whole "kids seeing/being around sex" is some sort of fetish in this story, which is rather a turnoff for me.

But if we leave the moral highground for a moment, as far as I've read School Dreams 3 originally was quite explicit about the fact that the girls were around 16 years old. As far as I know goblinboy changed this to appease some AIF forum, but probably also from a legal point of view (even though the age of consent may be 16 or even younger, pornography is still 18+). Naturally the images are still exactly the same and it doesn't take much imagination to see that some characters are clearly meant to be 16 (even apart from the whole high school background).
Having looked through the thread for SD3 (http://the-new-lagoon.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=130) I've found no sign of anyone taking offense or indeed referring to sharks rules. (On a side-note, admins, look at how that thread started, a link! And not by goblinboy himself! And this is what these forums should continue to allow, after all in this case it sparked almost 50 pages of discussion).
But this isn't a justification to put 5 year old children in an erotic game, in my opinion that is just not done and it serves no purpose.

Edit: Squeeky's post came in while I was writing:
Squeeky wrote:Now I am concerned that the middle girl is somewhere between 15-17. She is "featuring" in an activity which (of that perceived given age) does not comply with the rules.

As I mention above this perceived age is also present in SD3. As long as the story is not explicit about the age I don't think there is much of an issue. After all the SD3 thread has been on here for 2 years without any problems.
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